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#71by GwyndaneTWCC » 29.10.2013, 08:28

athens and sparta are actually good factions, they can easily beat factions like pontus and carthage... very easily, they should be in same group
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#72by Project Spartan » 29.10.2013, 08:54

GwyndaneTWCC wrote:athens and sparta are actually good factions, they can easily beat factions like pontus and carthage... very easily, they should be in same group

I disagree sparta has no cav, Athens have average cav and bellow average infantry i mean all they have is the hopilites which can get destroyed easy! They should definitely stay in last group.

No way there in same league as carthage... Carthage has better everything..... and pontus are a great faction with cheap good pikes and great cav

I think its fine the way it is.
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#73by GwyndaneTWCC » 29.10.2013, 10:20

sparta sucks? how the hell is it tied for 2nd best faction then, according to this:

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and athens is above carthage and pontus
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#74by darkm1nd » 29.10.2013, 10:54

You can't fight with the statistics! :tooth:

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#75by GwyndaneTWCC » 29.10.2013, 10:58

][G][Harba: athens is really powerful against any non-elite-sword faction
][G][Harba: the veteran mercenary hoplites at 750 rape all the elite 860 hoplites
][G][Harba: and the thorax hoplites at 650 rape all the 600 hoplites


better?
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#76by Project Spartan » 29.10.2013, 11:32

How does 750 rape 860 ones hahah no chance.

I never said sparta sucked the fact that they have no cav is the biggest disadvantage. If you showed me stats of how sparta performs against each faction then i would take those stats into consideration. The fact is no one wants to use anyone from group 2 or 1 against sparta because they will get hardly any points for winning, so they use factions from the last 2 groups which has your parthia pontus athens etc.... Yes by the looks of it they have been doing decent but they have the biggest disadvantage out of all the factions and if you play pontus or carthage half decent you will destroy any spartan army.
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#77by GwyndaneTWCC » 29.10.2013, 11:51

ever heard of Argumentum ab auctoritate?
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#78by Balor » 29.10.2013, 15:09

There is pretty strong limit for melee cavalry, which makes factions like seleucids and parthia much weaker, and infantry factions have a decent advantage.

I think that there is no reason to keep Seleucids faction among very strong factions, and it should be lower. Or there should be more of allowed melee cavalry. Statistic proves it.

На турнире действует сильное ограничение кавалерии ближнего боя, из-за которого такие фракции с преимуществом в коннице как селевкиды и парфяне имеют некоторые трудности,и объективно становятся слабее.

Я предлагаю передвинуть Селевкидов из группы очень сильных фракций ниже, так как их преимущество в хорошей по соотношению цена/качество кавалерии. Статистика это подтверждает, у них низкий процент побед.
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#79by GwyndaneTWCC » 29.10.2013, 15:25

I agree, i think this is how it should be in my opinion:

Tier 1: Egypt
Tier 2: Arverni, Icenii, Suebi, Selucids, (Rome)
Tier 3: MAcedon, Epirus, Parthia, Athens (Sparta) (Rome)
Tier 4: Pontus, Carth, (Sparta)

Please consider this admins.
Let's be honest, Barbarians beat Greek factions very easily....
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#80by Balor » 29.10.2013, 17:15

I agree, Macedonia is pretty weak right now, and it has the worst win result among groups.
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